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they give themselves a discount on their consulting services. >> michael: karl rove shot back at this, and then we'll hear from you david. >> i thought sarah palin was about encouraging volunteer grassroots activity. i'm a volunteer. second of all look, i appreciate her encouragement that i go home to texas and run for office. i would be enthused to have her sport. i don't think i'm a particularly good candidate. sort of a balding fat guy. second of all i'd say if i did run for office and win i'd serve out my term. i wouldn't leave office midterm. >> michael: oh, a dagger, dave. >> yes that's fun to watch when you're on the outside watching. the thing about it is i timothy rove knows they have to stop denying invitations to sarah palin. all they need to do is bring in a celebrity and thousand how they can have this rigorous intellectual conference. sure have some conversations but have thinkers there as opposed to performers or celebrities. that's where the republican party seems to be stumped in terms of how they conduct these things. >> michael: yes, eleanor in talking about 2016 so
want to make a point about hoarding capital. it was karl rove who said essentially that you can't hoard political capital you spend it or lose it. when you look at the assault weapons ban which in the polls has strong majority support the point here is that you can actually gain political capital by seriously forcing votes vote after vote after vote. that gets you political capital by spending it, you spend money to make money. i argue by the departments not spending that, they're going to lose what moral high ground they have. cenk: ginger, if you agree with the democratic theory which is that you should neve, ever, ever spend your political capital until you have this magic moment, in this second term of president obama, what's the magic moment what are they collecting all this political capital for, to do a grand bargain to cut social security and medicare? >> we saw president obama say last week, trying to build up good will for a grand bargain. we've seen the immigration bill. cenk: great. ginger, so first of all grand bargain is a horrible for progress you haves horrible. it cuts
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